From: David King Date: 04:24 on 01 Nov 2007 Subject: Fwd: Mailer Error Messages Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jason C. Wells" <jcw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> > Date: 30 October, 2007 23:27:51 PDT > To: freebsd-chat@xxxxxxx.xxx > Subject: Mailer Error Messages > > This is just a short little complaint. Could we please make mail > exchange error messages just a little more understandable? For the > rare occurrences where I actually get a legit non-spam induced > bounce it would be nice to be able to quickly discern what happened. > > 1 - Don't use pronouns. "This domain is is blacklisted." Oh I see > it was "THIS" domain that was blacklisted. That clears things up. > Contact the postmaster? Oh I see "THE" postmaster. > > 2 - Say what you mean to say. ----- The following addresses had > permanent fatal errors ----- > <example@xxxxxxx.xxx> > Actually, the address probably didn't have any errors. It was > probably some sort of anti-spam in play. > > 3 - Use complete sentences. Please include a subject and verb PLUS > the reason why there is an error. "server.foo.com rejected > server.bar.com for reason." "There is no mailbox suchandsuch at > server.foo.com." > > (now I must wonder what sort of default sillyness my server spews > to everyone else when every variety of spam malfeasance reflects of > my MX) > > I used to think that running my own MX was neat. Now I am starting > to think that this is the realm of wizards. Can mere mortals use > the internet without ceaselessly battling with asshats? The fight > is all gone out of me. > > Later, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@xxxxxxx.xxx mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@xxxxxxx.xxx"
From: Marco Von Ballmoos Date: 05:00 on 01 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Mailer Error Messages On Nov 1, 2007, at 05:24, David King wrote: >> I used to think that running my own MX was neat. Now I am >> starting to think that this is the realm of wizards. Can mere >> mortals use the internet without ceaselessly battling with >> asshats? The fight is all gone out of me. Amen. -- Marco Von Ballmoos http://earthli.com - Home of the earthli WebCore; PHP web sites made simple.
From: David Mackintosh
Date: 13:17 on 01 Nov 2007
Subject: Re: Fwd: Mailer Error Messages
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 09:24:33PM -0700, David King wrote:
> >I used to think that running my own MX was neat. Now I am starting =20
> >to think that this is the realm of wizards. Can mere mortals use =20
> >the internet without ceaselessly battling with asshats? The fight =20
> >is all gone out of me.
The problem is, if you run an MX then someone somewhere will consider
_you_ the asshat. For example, I send all postmaster mail to
/dev/null because I'm not going to dig through the literally
thousands of undeliverable-spam-bounce messages I see _daily_ to find
the message that someone accidentally sent to 'ferd' instead of
'fred'. That makes me a non-RFC compliant asshat. =20
But I also permit my systems to emit deliverable spam bounces on the
off chance that it is useful to someone else -- that may be RFC
compliant, but gets me considered an asshat by those who beat the "no
backscatter" drum. =20
I agree. Mail used to be cool, fun, and interesting. Now it's just
painful. =20
But all this is merely an interpersonal problem I have, and has
nothing to do with the actual software, most which I consider to be
remarkably hate-free, considering A) what it does and B) the state it
used to be in. =20
--=20
/\oo/\
/ /()\ \ David Mackintosh |=20
dave@xxxxxx.xxx | http://www.xdroop.com
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